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		<title>VIC NY 2011, part one</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few notes about Day One (Monday, Oct. 17th) in the 2011 Value Investing Congress. You can follow their own live updates on Facebook or Twitter. We start with David Einhorn - he wasn't the first speaker of the day, but things started to get interesting when he came onto the stage. Having attended both, the Ira Sohn Investment Conference is a better event: shorter in length, better attended and with better speakers, more focused and, we dare say, with more committed speakers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After dealing with unexpected and unacceptable wi-fi and cell-phone data problems, here are a few notes about Day One (Monday, Oct. 17th) in the 2011 Value Investing Congress. You can follow their own live updates on <a title="VIC-NY 2011's Facebook page" href="http://www.facebook.com/ValueInvestingCongress" target="_blank">Facebook</a> or <a title="VIC-NY 2011's Twitter account" href="http://twitter.com/VICongress" target="_blank">Twitter</a>. We start with David Einhorn &#8211; he wasn&#8217;t the first speaker of the day, but things started to get interesting when he came onto the stage. Another great source for VIC updates is our friends at <a title="ValueWalk.com's coverage of VIC-NY 2011" href="http://www.valuewalk.com/" target="_blank">ValueWalk.com</a>.</p>
<p>One thing we can say right off the bat is that, having attended both, the Ira Sohn Investment Conference is a better event: shorter in length, better attended and with better speakers, more focused and, we dare say, with more committed speakers.</p>
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<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>David Einhorn:</strong></span> Short Green Mountain Coffee Roasters (Nasdaq: GMCR). Both <a title="Einhorn shorts Green Mountain - Reuters" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/17/us-greenmountain-idUSTRE79G4C020111017" target="_blank">Reuters</a> and <a title="Einhorn shorts Green Mountain - Bloomberg" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-17/green-mountain-coffee-drops-after-einhorn-cites-need-for-better-disclosure.html" target="_blank">Bloomberg</a>&#8216;s stories are accurate enough accounts. That said, they don&#8217;t fully capture what appears to be another case of relentless research by Mr. Einhorn. Again, he may be right or wrong, but it&#8217;s hard to argue that his team hasn&#8217;t worked hard at this. This reminds us of Einhorn&#8217;s must-read book <a title="Fooling Some People website" href="http://foolingsomepeople.com/main/" target="_blank">Fooling Some of The People All of The Time</a>. And the Einhorn effect remains intact: by the time his talk was over, the stock was dropping 13%.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Jim Chanos:</strong></span> Global Value Traps. <a title="Jim Chanos' 5 value traps - Forbes.com" href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisbarth/2011/10/17/jim-chanos-five-value-traps-to-avoid-and-5-stocks-that-fit-the-mold/" target="_blank">He presented the many features of a &#8220;value trap&#8221;</a>-kind of investment, some of which can occur simultaneously. <a title="Jim Chanos' 5 value traps - MarketFolly.com" href="http://www.marketfolly.com/2011/10/jim-chanos-beware-global-value-trap.html?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MarketFolly+%28Market+Folly%29" target="_blank">Then he distilled five value traps he&#8217;s focused on</a> and named names. One of them? Brazil&#8217;s Vale, one of the world&#8217;s largest mining companies. While he&#8217;s always fun to watch, we&#8217;d prefer one-two main ideas and derive his investment process from them. If it sounds like David Einhorn&#8217;s presentations, it&#8217;s because we prefer the deep-research presentations.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Vladimir Jelisavcic, Long Acre:</strong></span> DryShips, Inc. (Nasdaq: DRYS) &#8211; long the convertible bonds. This was a tough one to watch and a reminder of the need for synthesis/&#8221;packaging&#8221; skills. A bad presentation detracts from the actual message and influences our perceptions about the speaker. While it&#8217;s obviously important to keep this in mind in order to avoid being &#8220;charmed&#8221; by an outstanding speaker, it&#8217;s also important for the speaker to present well and avoid an undeserved bad impression. And lo and behold, by the time Mr. Jelisavcic got to the details it was clear that he had done the work on the convertibles &#8211; assuming he&#8217;s correct about the difficulty of increasing capacity in the UDW ships/rigs (UDW=ultra deep water).</p>
<p>In the Q&amp;A question, Vladimir discussed his fund&#8217;s philosophy/goals: to attain equity-like returns via distressed debt investing. His point is that if the debt is distressed, there&#8217;s a high probability that the stock is also distressed, in which case the debt investment gets you &#8220;closer to the assets&#8221;. That is, you buy something with potential price upside (from the bond price and conversion premium) but with higher seniority. The problem is that it&#8217;s always an investment research process that&#8217;s heavy in legal advice, consulting and so on.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Timothy E. Hartch, Brown Brothers Harriman:</strong></span> Long Dentsply (Nasdaq: XRAY). Re-reading the notes it&#8217;s clear the presentation was heavy in data, but not much conviction to be found here. He started by saying that Dentsply is <em>&#8220;the one company&#8221;</em> in his portfolio that he&#8217;d <em>&#8220;invest and leave the money there for 20 years&#8221;</em>. He called it the best business he knows. While we know and like the company, there are plenty of other businesses we&#8217;d prefer to that one. And this observation &#8211; that preferences/weightings/risk appetites/experiences/mental models of Investor A will differ from those of Investor B &#8211; ties up very well with the interesting story he told about his first assignment at Brown Brothers Harriman (henceforth BBH for carpal tunnel syndrome-prevention reasons):</p>
<p>Mr. Hartch began as a Corporate Finance analyst, and the first assignment was to help a client sell his media company. After valuing the company and sending the pitch book to four interested strategic buyers (all media companies as well), it was time to hear their bids. Companies 1 and 2 had the same valuation: US$ 10-15mm. Company 3 had US$ 25-30mm. He was still concerned because he told his client it could fetch US$ 40-45mm. Then Company 4 siad it&#8217;d buy the company for US$ 90 million&#8230; The valuable lesson (and best part of his presentation): <em>&#8220;Same company, same data, same day, yet very wide range of values. Valuation in an estimate. Be humble about your own.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>There was also an interesting long case on &#8220;micro-cap&#8221; Energy Solutions, but still very little meat in our notes.</p>
<p>The last speaker was <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Alexander Roepers of Atlantic Investment Management</strong></span>. He was very generalist, and we were hoping he would spell out his case for McGraw-Hill Companies, an activist case. So we&#8217;ll leave you with his first sentence:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;I&#8217;m glad none of my ideas were trashed by either Jim Chanos or David Einhorn!&#8221;</em></strong></p>
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		<title>Fun with David Einhorn</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That David Einhorn is a poker fan is not news, and his great book "Fooling Some of The People All of the Time" has been out for a while. But since there's a new epilogue for the book, the DealBreaker blog did a fun interview with Einhorn over a few hands of heads-up poker - a game about which the reporter didn't know the first thing. That's a lesson in risk management right there. You won't find brilliant investment insights or killer poker tips, but if you haven't yet read the book and this post makes you finally do it, we'll be happy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That <a title="The Confidence Man - an instant classic at New York Magazine" href="http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/47844/" target="_blank">David Einhorn is a poker fan</a> is not news, and his great book <a title="Fooling some of the people all of the time's website" href="http://www.foolingsomepeople.com/main/" target="_blank">&#8220;Fooling Some of The People All of the Time&#8221;</a> has been out for a while. We&#8217;ve discussed <a title="No one would listen at Buysiders.com" href="http://www.buysiders.com/2010/03/09/no-one-would-listen/" target="_blank">that and other &#8220;whistleblower&#8221;/ fraud&#8221; books</a> here in March. But since there&#8217;s a new epilogue for the book, the <a title="Heads up play with David Einhorn - DealBreaker.com" href="http://dealbreaker.com/2010/12/heads-up-play-with-david-einhorn-a-qa/" target="_blank">DealBreaker blog did a fun interview with Einhorn</a> over a few hands of heads up poker &#8211; a game about which the reporter didn&#8217;t know the first thing. That&#8217;s a lesson in risk management right there. You won&#8217;t find brilliant investment insights or killer poker tips, but if you haven&#8217;t yet read the book and this post makes you finally do it, we&#8217;ll be happy.</p>
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		<title>No one would listen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's lots of interesting content in Amazon.com's launch page for "No One Would Listen", a book by the main whistleblower in the Bernie Madoff saga. The timeline in particular is very impressive: it shows that it took ten years to uncover the mess - nine since the first contact with the SEC - by which time the problem was irreversible. And that's far from the only case, which begs a question... How do we justify still having institutions supposed to keep watch so unready and unwilling to investigate red flags?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Updated on March 19th, 2010 (see a new video inside)</em></p>
<p>There&#8217;s lots of interesting content in <a title="No One Would Listen at Amazon.com" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470553731/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;pf_rd_r=11FAEJAZGATXRMNHSBFB&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=470938631&amp;pf_rd_i=507846" target="_blank">Amazon.com&#8217;s launch page</a> for &#8220;No One Would Listen&#8221;, the book by Harry Markopolos &#8211; the main whistleblower in the Bernie Madoff saga. The timeline in particular is very impressive: it shows that all in all it took ten years to uncover the mess &#8211; nine since the first contact with the SEC &#8211; by which time the problem was irreversible. And that&#8217;s far from the only case, which begs a question&#8230;<span id="more-779"></span></p>
<p>Apart from the &#8220;I want/ need to believe&#8221;-type mental traps that individuals fall into, how do we justify still having <span style="text-decoration: underline;">institutions</span> supposed to keep watch so unready and unwilling to investigate red flags? Lack of funding, qualified personnel, IT infrastructure&#8230; they all seem like weak arguments even put together.</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t go into the Taleb argument that one must be highly skeptical of &#8220;results&#8221;, and let&#8217;s not recall the Bob Rubin &#8220;focus on processes, not outcomes&#8221; (great) advice. Let&#8217;s just highlight two other books on fraud or lack of oversight &#8211; one caught, one still perhaps on the loose.</p>
<p>The most Madoff-like story is <a title="Fooling Some People website" href="http://www.foolingsomepeople.com/main/" target="_blank">David Einhorn&#8217;s Fooling Some of The People All of The Time</a>, about his years-long struggle with Allied Capital. Again, the pattern of ignored warnings is troubling, and while the story eventually played out to Mr. Einhorn&#8217;s thesis (see the 5-yr chart <a title="Allied Capital's 5-yr chart on Yahoo Finance" href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ALD&amp;t=5y&amp;l=on&amp;z=m&amp;q=l&amp;c=" target="_blank">here</a>), it wasn&#8217;t due to regulatory action &#8211; the credit crisis <a title="Allied Capital and the Ciena bankruptcy" href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/09/30/allied-capital-ciena-markets-equity-cx_md_markets24.html" target="_blank">almost did the company in</a>.</p>
<p>The other book is a quick read &#8211; <a title="Cleaning Up at Amazon.com" href="http://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-Up-Redemptive-Seductive-Corporate/dp/B0032FO47U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1268175046&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">Barry Minkow&#8217;s Cleaning Up</a> &#8211; about ZZZZ Best, the company he founded and took public as one of the youngest persons ever to do that (remember that this is quite pre-dot.com days!). Nice story, if it wasn&#8217;t all a Ponzi scheme, and one that also took a while to uncover. Since this account is in first person and Mr. Minkow later helped the FBI uncover several corporate frauds, it&#8217;s pretty interesting lore. We&#8217;ve watched the guy live in the first Value Investing Congress and he&#8217;s a decent speaker as well.</p>
<p><strong>UPDATE (March 19th, 2010):</strong> Nice and funny video interview with Mr. Markopolos on Jon Stewart&#8217;s Daily Show.</p>
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		<title>Einhorn at the VIC 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital is a fixture of the NY Value Investing Congress - and it's always useful to take some time to read his thoughts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital is a fixture of the NY Value Investing Congress &#8211; and it&#8217;s always useful to take some time to read his thoughts. <a title="Einhorn's speech - VIC 2009" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/21311124/Einhorn-Vic-2009-Speech" target="_blank">Here&#8217;s the latest speech</a>.</p>
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